Shawn Pethel Interview: What am I?

What happens when you take the rigor of a physicist and combine that with the earnest desire of a seeker of enlightenment? In his mid-twenties, Shawn Pethel picked up a book by Ken Wilber and was introduced to Eastern philosophy and the idea of enlightenment. As a scientist, he recognized that these Eastern meditators were true spiritual explorers who were gathering data and trying to systematize the exploration of inner space. Most importantly, they spoke of an answer, “enlightenment,” which Shawn recognized as what he had been built to pursue in this life.

So Shawn pursued enlightenment, first through a decade of reading and working alone, but then discovering a community of fellow seekers that greatly accelerated his path.

In this episode, Shawn discusses the highs and lows of his spiritual search, meditation, following what is given to you, the importance of connecting with what you care about, and enlightenment.

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Selected Links and Topics from this Episode:

  • How Eastern mystics were exploring and gathering data through meditation.
  • “I felt my whole life I had been built to seek [enlightenment].”
  • The value of having to articulate our internal narrative.
  • The value of being around people who are practicing being open and honest.
  • Wanting to know “what am I?”
    • “If you see something you must be outside of it.” This is a very useful concept that led Shawn to a “homegrown meditation” style.
  • Meditation phobia
  • To meditate without ceasing. At every moment you can, observe what is going on. Yet, don’t create some kind of crazy standard for yourself.
  • What progress in meditation looks like.
  • Nisargadatta Maharaj’s “I Am.”
    • “What do I do now?” Getting stuck on the spiritual path.
      • Your energy comes from being in touch with what you really care about.
        • What is the universe trying to tell you? What’s the thing “right in your face?” What’s the most obvious thing the universe is trying to get you to pay attention to right now?
        • The need to get honest with yourself about your priorities. Enlightenment doesn’t have to be the honest priority, but you need to be honest about what is.
          • Daniel Ingram as a mentor.
          • The vanishing of the “I am.”
          • “I can’t talk about what is, but we can talk about what you’re trying to substitute for what is.”
          • “The mind is a narrative machine.” It creates stories.
  • Asking “where is my body?” “where is my mind?” while lucid dreaming. Spiritual seeking while lucid dreaming.
  • Don’t beat yourself up comparing your efforts to others. Go with the effort level you have. ” Keep track of it and act in a way that’s in accordance with it.”
  • “Science is about building models, and those models come from your intuition and then you check them rigorously…. There’s a lot of creative process that’s in there.”
  • “I think a lot of seekers are not in contact with what really matters to them, or not got it in very good focus.”
  • Shawn’s go-to book recommendation for spiritual seekers is Nisargadatta Maharaj’s I Am That. Another important book for him was the first few pages of Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha by Daniel Ingram. Also, Douglas Harding’s books are highly recommended as both logical and creative.
  • What’s life like after enlightenment?
  • “What’s illusion and what’s real is another illusion, another false dichotomy.”
  • Want to contact Shawn Pethel? Sorry, you’ll have to come to a TAT Foundation or Pittsburgh Self Inquiry Group event when he’s speaking.
  • To register for the upcoming TAT virtual event I mentioned in this episode, go here.
  • Check out the new edition of Bob Harwood’s Pouring Concrete: A Zen Path to the Kingdom of God
  • Leave a review on Amazon of my book Subtraction: The Simple Math of Enlightenment. We’re now at 148 reviews!

Ramana Maharshi – Instructions for Self Enquiry

My reading this episode is two extracts from the works of Ramana Maharshi. The first is an excerpt from a longer work entitled “Who Am I,” and the second is titled “Self Enquiry.” The “Self Enquiry” piece was written around 1901, and both writings appear in Author Osborne’s The Collected Works of Sri Ramana Maharshi.

In “Self Enquiry,” Ramana says, “In this chapter is given clearly the path of enquiry into the Self, or ‘Who Am I?'” Obviously, that’s a must read! “Self Enquiry” was Ramana Maharshi’s first written work, while “Who Am I?” was his only other work of prose. Since most of Ramana’s teachings are recorded from written transcriptions, studying his written works is worth one’s time.

This is podcast # 12 in The Induction Series. The aim of this series is to focus on “inspired” writings, those that carry the “living word.” Franklin Merrell-Wolff called them “mystic writings” and said that “when the ‘Voice of the Silence’ speaks into the relative world, the Meaning lies between the words, as it were, rather than in the direct content of the words themselves.”

Richard Rose said that “If you are interested in looking for Essence, from the point of the Process Observer you can be stimulated only by writings of inspiration rather than reason or direction” and referred students to his poem “Three Books of the Absolute.” While Rose used the term “inspirational,” clearly these are not necessarily inspirational, uplifting writings like one typically finds collected under that banner.

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If you enjoy The Induction Series, please leave a review on Amazon of my book Subtraction: The Simple Math of Enlightenment.  There are currently 148 reviews and each additional review boosts the visibility of the book.  You don’t have to purchase the book on Amazon to leave a review, and a few minutes of your time will help others seekers find the book.  Just click the link above and leave a few words in a review.  Thank you! 

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QUESTION(S) OF THE DAY: What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

Selected Links and Topics from this Episode:

  • Author Osborne’s The Collected Works of Ramana Maharshi
  • What does Ramana Maharshi mean by capital-S “Self”?
  • The question “Who am I?” is the distillation of the curiously we all have about our true nature.
  • “As a boy of sixteen in 1896, he challenged death by a penetrating enquiry into the source of his being…” to read more about Ramana Maharshi, visit the official website or read my review.
  • To register for the upcoming TAT Talk I mentioned in this episode or the Pittsburgh Self Inquiry Group meeting, go here.
  • Leave a review on Amazon of my book Subtraction: The Simple Math of Enlightenment. We’re now at 148 reviews!

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A Reading from Eddie Traversa’s Truth Realization

My reading this episode is an excerpt from Eddie Traversa’s book, Truth Realization. Eddie was an extraordinarily sincere spiritual teacher and friend who passed away in 2022. His website no longer exists, but at least as of the time of this writing, his book is still available, and you can listen to my podcast interview of him.

Eddie’s Truth Realization book is about as unknown as titles get, yet as is often the case, the value is in inverse proportion to the popularity. He succinctly described the book as “a collection of articles on the topic of spiritual enlightenment.”

For this reading, I chose two articles: the first titled “The Who am I Koan,” and the second titled “Consciousness.” Both writings carry a deeper meaning that simply the words.

This is podcast # 11 in The Induction Series. The aim of this series is to focus on “inspired” writings, those that carry the “living word.” Franklin Merrell-Wolff called them “mystic writings” and said that “when the ‘Voice of the Silence’ speaks into the relative world, the Meaning lies between the words, as it were, rather than in the direct content of the words themselves.”

Richard Rose said that “If you are interested in looking for Essence, from the point of the Process Observer you can be stimulated only by writings of inspiration rather than reason or direction” and referred students to his poem “Three Books of the Absolute.” While Rose used the term “inspirational,” clearly these are not necessarily inspirational, uplifting writings like one typically finds collected under that banner.

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If you enjoy The Induction Series, please leave a review on Amazon of my book Subtraction: The Simple Math of Enlightenment.  There are currently 148 reviews and each additional review boosts the visibility of the book.  You don’t have to purchase the book on Amazon to leave a review, and a few minutes of your time will help others seekers find the book.  Just click the link above and leave a few words in a review.  Thank you! 

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Mike Gegenheimer: the Magic of Rapport

Mike Gegenheimer is president of the TAT Foundation, coauthor with me of Passages: An Introduction and Commentary on Richard Rose’s Albigen System, and helps facilitate a self-inquiry group based in Columbus, Ohio. In this episode, we delve into his years with Richard Rose and the early days of the TAT Foundation, his experiences with the power of rapport, intuition, and between-ness, and discuss the events around his spiritual Realization.

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QUESTION(S) OF THE DAY: What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

Selected Links and Topics from this Episode:

  • Philosophical questions versus questions of self-definition
  • Asking questions versus taking action
  • The Pyramid Zen Society
  • The Atman and the Braham
  • The value of reviewing past experiences and becoming free of them
  • One of Richard Rose’s key practices, sitting in rapport, as a tool for developing intuition and allowing the possibility of transmission of mind.
  • Transmission
  • Richard Rose farm: the dynamics of living in an ashram, the value of doing physical labor as part of a spiritual path
  • Why spiritual groups wind up doing construction projects…. 🙂
  • Rose’s book about developing and using energy on the spiritual search: Energy Transmutation, Between-Ness and Transmission
  • Being on the knife edge of the mind and looking death in the face
  • On spiritual experiences later in life
  • A seriousness that precedes a spiritual realization
  • On just wanting to know the answer
  • The April 2019 TAT meeting where Mike Gegenheimer had his Realization
  • A conversation with Norio Kushi that was key in the moments before Mike’s Realization
  • Finding the mind arising in the spaces “between”
  • The path of inquiry and the path of meditation
  • Online rapport sittings – “we’re not as far apart from each other as our minds believe we are”
  • What to do if you want to learn more about rapport, including books such as Passages, Energy Transmutation, and Psychology of the Observer
  • How to find a local TAT group
  • The main obstacles people are facing on the spiritual path
  • Richard Rose’s List of Obstacles to Transcendental Research
  • The H.G. Wells short story “The Door in the Wall
  • Most recommended books: Psychology of the Observer, The Albigen Papers, and Meditation by Richard Rose, I Am That by Nisargadata, Ramana Maharshi, Bart Marshall’s The Perennial Way
  • Favorite film: Patton (1970) as an example of commitment
  • Intuition occurring in the areas of life where you focus your energy
  • If a person has a singular commitment to feel for an answer, to find a resolution of a deep question – the right combination of intensity and feeling can yield an answer
  • Contact info for Mike Gegenheimer and his group based on Columbus, Ohio

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Shawn Nevins Interview – Honesty, Focus, Intuition, and the Natural Koan

This episode is from an interview titled “Satsang with Shawn Nevins” conducted by Reverend Saina Fernandez from the Awakening Together group. It took a few minutes to find our groove, but thanks to the Reverend’s great questions, this interview hit several key topics and moments of inspiration including discussions on honesty, focus, intuition, and the natural Koan.

I appreciated the opportunity to connect with the Awakening Together organization and am continually amazed and thankful to encounter groups of truth seekers helping one another in this most profound of endeavors.

satsang
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QUESTION(S) OF THE DAY: What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

Selected Links and Topics from this Episode:

  • What did it mean that Richard Rose developed Alzheimer’s and “forgot” his enlightenment experience? The questions that arose when considering what enlightenment means for the personality. Does enlightenment “add to” the person or personality?
  • Do we know, in our own experience of a capital “S” Self?
  • The value of “End of the day honesty.”
  • The dazzling dark of John Wren-Lewis.
  • Grace in the beautiful and ugly moments of life.
  • What is a natural koan and can it change over time?
  • Prayer as a sharpening of our longing.
  • “In any moment we can see. All it takes is one moment of utter honesty.”
  • How in every moment, life is speaking to us, life is the teacher.
  • Richard Rose’s “law of the ladder.”
  • Spiritual first aid – focus your energy and look for your source.
  • The potential of creative endeavors to reveal our Source.
  • Visit Awakening Together to find more resources for “non-dual purpose and practice” such as talks by Paul Hedderman and Tess Hughes, and a long list of guest Satsang teachers.
  • Leave a review on Amazon of my book Subtraction: The Simple Math of Enlightenment. We’re now at 112 reviews!

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